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carson by almost 20 percentage points with the rest of the field ted cruz, marco rubio and jeb bush all in single digits. everyone else coming in behind them. but in iowa republican race has tightened donald trump and ben carson are tied for first place at 27%. ted cruz only other candidate to earn double digits at 12%. marco rubio comes in at nine the rest of the field is at 6% or less. we'll have the numbers in the democratic race coming up in a moment. we want to go now to donald trump who joins us by phone. mr. trump in our polls we show you up everywhere but iowa where you're tied with ben carson and that plus some other recent polls in iowa seems to have made you go after mr. carson. >> i don't understand iowa i just left. we had tremendous crowds and tremendous enthusiasm and frankly even to be tied i'm a little surprised. i know that i'm very honored by
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what's happened in new hampshire and south carolina it's amazing results. amazing. but i think that iowa, it has that same in credible feeling, we had rally there the other day it was so intense and so much love in the room. i'm actually surprised. very surprised that i'm even tied in iowa. >> dickerson: let me ask you about some things you said about ben carson. in florida you said -- >> i'm presbyterian. that's down the middle of the road in all fairness. i mean, seventh day adventist i don't know about. >> dickerson: what did you mean by that? >> exactly what i said. i don't know about that. i don't know about what that is. i'm not that familiar with it. i've heard about it but i'm not that familiar with it. that wasn't meant to be insult obviously just that i don't know about it. >> dickerson: expression of ignorance not raising questions about it? >> harsh way of putting it perhaps i could say it that way
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because i don't know now -- i said, i don't know know about that. >> dickerson: you said mr. carson is controlled by his pac but he received more smaller dollar donations isn't that sign that he has grass root supports not that he's controlled by his pac as you claimed? >> the people running his pac are highly trained professionals i would imagine. those people are using that pac differently. they are running iowa for him. they are in there, they're doing all sorts of things that are totally different than what you are supposed to be doing and ben is in iowa very little. he does not go to iowa much. the people are doing leaflets, all this stuff, they are essentially campaigning for him in iowa. that's not what a pac is supposed to be. it's not supposed to happen that way. i disavowed all pacs many people setting up pacs f me we september letters saying we
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don't want, we respect them, we love them assume it's all on the up and up because i don't know these people run pacs i don't know what they do with everything for the ones that are doing it with the right intense but we disavowed all pacs everyone of them, john. every candidate should do the same thick. this whole pac concept is fraught with problems and i think you are going to see tremendous problems with pacs over the years, i have disavowing all pacs i don't want anybody -- i'm self funding my campaign, other than little contributions where people send $7 and $50 and $100 we love that because that's investment, that's real investment in our country and the campaign. but other than that i have totally -- i don't want any money i think that people should disavow candidates should disavow their pacs idea lieutenant me ask you about a challenger, what jeb bush said. >> i got lot of really cool things i could do other than sit
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listening to people demonize me. that is a joke. elect trump if you want that. >> dickerson: he says you're a demon eyeser. >> i'm trying to say it like it is. he paid one person $1.3 million and he's languishing way back in the pac. but his campaign is a total disaster. he's paid people far too much. now he's cutting everybody salaries. as businessman if he can cut salaries 40 and 50% why did he do it when he started? what is he doing it now? why did he hire them in the first place? that means they would have worked for a lot less money. but his campaign is in disarray. his whole thing is a mess. but he paid one person, as i understand it, maybe that's incorrect. but paid over a million dollars for one person and it's okay maybe after everything's done get great incentive but he's doing very poorly. don't pay that kind of money.
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>> dickerson: let me ask you couple policy questions. we're about to have fight over government's ability to borrow money, debt limit, do you think it's economic problem, debt limit is not raised? will that hurt the economy? >> i think what they should do is use the debt limit as strong negotiating tool to make other changes and to cut costs elsewhere. the republicans don't know how to negotiate to be honest with you. i'm republican, it's embarrassing to watch them negotiate. john boehner said the other day he will not use the debt limit, he will not close. well, i tell you what, when you say that you have now given everything to the democrats and to president obama because they have their way 100%. >> dickerson:let me ask you, do you think if it's breached that that is economic problem? rubio the question of negotiation. >> i don't want to say. we should use it as negotiation and problem we have in this country we're so predictable
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iraq or with negotiation of a debt limit. boehner should not be saying we will not close. because you can't negotiate once you say that. you've given up 95% of your strength when you do that. i'm not going to say but i will tell you, it's an amazing tool to negotiate because it is a very, very -- it's fairly catastrophic if it happens. but some people are willing to go through that in order to win. by the way i'm not saying they shouldn't be. in order to win in order to cut the kind of costs. so much waste, so much fat it's like jeb bush's campaign. there's waste and there's fat. he's trying to solve the problem. but see, a person like that cannot solve the problem of the country because the country has the same problem that he has. >> dickerson: very quickly, balancing the budget is the number one thing in our polls say, republican say they want how fast would you as president balance the budget we're running out of time here?
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as possible. i'll be able to cut far better than anybody else. i'll be able to bring jobs back far, far better than anybody else. nobody will be close. >> dickerson: mr. trump thanks so much for your time. >> thank you very much. dickerson: taking morning off campaign trail to joyous in person is 2016 republican, governor of new jersey, chris christie, welcome. i want to start with some of the tough comments you've made about republicans in washington first on the benghazi hearings they were ineffective with the secretary of state. >> i think they were. the fact is we should be talking about what really matters in that this sense. secretary clinton says that she is not responsible for what happened there. she says other security professionals were responsible yet she didn't fire anybody. and i think what the american people dislike the most about hillary clinton that they refused to be held accountable. mistakes happen. bad things happen. you need to be held accountable
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stand up to do that. she has no accountability. no transparency to what is going on. i don't think they did effective job. here is the thing. come next september when i'm on the stage with her in debates she'll have federal prosecutor asking these questions. >> dickerson: when he say she wasn't on top of it, her security staff, people said that about with you the washington -- george washington bridge. he should have known this is happening it shows that he wasn't on top of things. >> bad things will happen sometimes, you have to be accountable. within 24 hours when that news came to new jersey i fired the people who were responsible. what happened to hillary clinton, why did those folks not fired? because she doesn't want to tell the truth. that is the biggest problem with hillary clinton. is that she doesn't -- she doesn't tell the truth. she doesn't want to be held accountable that's not the kind of person we need in white house.
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somebody who is willing to be accountable for what goes on in this country, what goes on on capitol hill. >> dickerson: republicans are trying to at least in the grass roots trying to hold their leaders accountable what is which this debate is tea bout. you have said jokers in washington, d.c. talking who is going to get the big office. isn't this a big debate? grass roots say in washington they're not representing our interests. some of the people who have -- in touch with those grass roots are having a fight over who the next leader will be isn't that central what with r what the republican party if their leaders match up with what the grass roots think? >> no. what is central is doing something. let's face it. the obamacare should be repealed in place of market based solution. taxes should be cut and taxes should be reformed. that we should be doing those type of things to end wasteful spending in this country. none that have is being done by republican congress even the house in 2010, senate in 2014 that's being done. people tell me in new hampshire
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and iowa. just do your job. they don't care who the speaker is. i don't care who the speaker is as long as that speaker gets them to do those central things that we care about that's what matters the most not the game of thrones stuff. >> dickerson: one of the things is whether the new speaker or existing one will use debt limit as leverage mechanism to get some of the things you're talking about in negotiations with the president. do you think they should do that? >> they have awful record on spending. they spend and spend. don't argue until the bill comes do. when you're governor you have to be on top of -- cut spending over $2 billion, every tax increase that's come to my desk balance the budget. it's about being tough standing up doing what you need to do not waiting until the bill comes due.
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they got it all backwards. >> dickerson: you said get things done as president usually in the context of democrats have to deal with a lot of them in new jersey. what about on the republican side you've had people -- john boehner saying that there are false prophets within the republican side, asking too much, what do you work with them when you come to washington? >> the principle is the same, john. listen, members of congress have a job to do. and what you need to do as president to bring them together, to set the priorities and then to get to know them, conjoel them, threaten them, to hug them, to do all the things that you need to do to get them to do the things that have to be done. that's what a president's job is. this president has been awol on this for seven years he doesn't have relationship with the folks in his on party let alone republicans. what i've done in new jersey, what you have seen over the course of my six years is that i've worked with republicans, but i've also worked with kelp.
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deal with police and crime issues. said something interesting he suggested that police across the country may be more reluctant to crackdown on crime because of what so-called -- named after the michael brown murder in ferguson, missouri. do you see that because it's such a politicized issue? >> don't see it because leader of new jersey tells the police officers to go out do their job without exception. >> dickerson: they're doing it? >> you've seen it in city like kansas where last three years replace the police department, all the political folks, murder rate down 16% in the last three years in camden. but murders are up in chicago and new york. murder of police officer. problem is, this lawlessness, the president encourages this lawlessness, he encourages it. >> dickerson: how? >> by his own rhetoric. he was not support the police, doesn't back up the police, he justifies black lives matter. >> dickerson: shouldn't be justified at all? >> i don't believe that that
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movement should be justified when calling for the murder of police officers now. >> dickerson: not calling for the murder of police officers. >> sure they are. been championing in the streets for murder of police officers. >> dickerson: individuals have. >> that's what the movement is creating. the president of the united states justifying that but not only that he hasn't backed up police officers from the minute he's gotten into offers. we can cite instance after instance, and there's lawlessness about most sanctuary cities. the president -- that type of lawlessings sets a tone, where basically tying one manned behind the back of police officers then murder rate up 11%, police officers being murdered i'll be president who will back up law ebb forcement, back up police officers because i was law enforcement officer i know how hard the job s. when there are bad cops they need to be prosecuted like bad lawyers and bad doctors and bad engineers. they all need to be prosecuted when they do something wrong. but our police officers put
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day, back that up to end the real livens which is happening in the streets of our cities. >> dickerson: governor chris christie. thanks for being with us. >> thank you, john. dickerson: turning to the democratic race interview that will air on "60 minutes," vice president joe biden and his wife jill talk to norah o'donnell about their family's mixed emotions about his decision not to run for president. >> i came home and helicopterrer, our son, was upstairs with mom, jill, i walked in. i said, you know, i don't think there's time. i just decided i don't think we can run the kind of campaign we have to run to be able to win. and i remember jill just got up off the couch gave me a big hug, i think you're right. >> were you disappointed or relieved? >> i think i was disappointed. like i said in the beginning, i thought joe would be a great president and i've seen -- in the 40 years we've been together
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character, his optimism. >> i believed he would have been the best president. >> dickerson: you can see rest of the interview on "60 minutes" at 7:00 p.m. tonight. we'll be back in one minute with new poll results for democrats. without joe biden in the field. stay with us.ent your company's data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at at&t we monitor our network traffic so we can see things others can't. mitigating risks across your business. leaving you free to focus on what matters most. no matter how fast the markets change, at t. rowe price, our disciplined investment approach remains. we ask questions here. look for risks there.
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you supporting hillary clinton now? they say, electability and they say, experience. both things that her campaign has been trying to establish or reestablish things like debate helped that. move on to new hampshire where bernie sanders still up, she has cut into his lead, it's still a big one. same dynamic, experience and electability working for her. then move on to south carolina, where she is up big and here particularly helped by joe biden's decision not to run. we asked everybody who was supporting joe biden, there were quite a few folks, what would you do if you decide not to run what would be your second choice, it's her. her numbers are bumped up more because of that. >> dickerson: 4 points in south carolina. nancy, you, though, are in iowa, big doing there last night at the jefferson jackson dinner tell us about that. >> this is unique event, john, because you've got thousands of
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the most active democrats in the state all together in one arena comparing these candidates back to back. back in 2007 then senator barack obama propelled him to the front of the pack. now that kind of speech wasn't hillary clinton's style. it isn't today. she kind of played it safe she stuck to her stump speech. they even chanted some of most familiar lines along with her. interestingly this is an event where the candidates tend to shore entheir contrast with one another. she really didn't do much of that. she focused primarily on the republican trying to frame herself as person most lickly to take them on next year. >> dickerson: anthony, there were glow sticks, she had katy perry? is attempt to show huge. that yam. is that showing up in the numbers? >> in fact, it is. in iowa in particular we talked last time about being enthusiasm gap between her and sanders, most of her supporters, voting for her, weren't enthusiastic
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most are. same thing also true in new hampshire. >> dickerson: you mention the sharpening that happens in these speeches. hillary clinton was not sharper but bernie sanders was turning up the attack a little bit, wasn't he? >> he really did. went through this litany much issues, trade deals, defense of marriage act, the pipeline, talked how he had -- down from them. clear implication that hillary clinton has either waffled or shifted over time on each of them. you heard anthony talk how most people thought that hillary clinton won the debate. she came after bernie sanders much stronger than he probably expected. so there was clear course correction last night. >> dickerson: in iowa, quickly, before we switch over to the republicans. in iowa, how is it going or in terms of the sanders support if hillary doing better is he dropping, following, leveling off?
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>> it hasn't come as his expense. he really owns that democratic issue space of concern about the economy. about inequality, the reasons people say that they're supporting him are that they think he can tackle inequality and are that they think that he can partly change washington a little. >> dickerson: switch over to talking about the republicans. what do you see in terms, talk about horse race number. let's think underneath that. what do you see in terms -- >> we tried to get sense of larger contour of this race. not just who you're voting for but who would you consider and what would be satisfactory nominee even if you're not backing them. it's striking. for a lot of the field, besides ben carson, really and donald trump who is leading, you see very high unsatisfactory numbers for lot of these candidates. in particular in iowa, for jeb bush. so important because before get vote you have to become satisfactory.
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hurdle for some of them. >> dickerson: that's right. you have jeb bush. in terms of their ability to grow or they have harder time, only one who is really doing well who has high unsatisfactory number there is trump. does this create room for candidates who -- with whom voters are satisfied even if they're not yet ready to put them at the top of the horse race poll? >> trump is polarizing. you are either for him or not for him at all. his supporters would be satisfied. everybody else would not. in terms of room, some of the ratios you see for marco rubio for ted cruz, people aren't necessarily backing them right now. but they say that they would be satisfied if they ended up as the nominee. that could be room. >> dickerson: also ben carson doing very well in the satisfied question. anthony, thanks so much. nancy in des moines, iowa, thank
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j we're back with the chairman of the house intelligence committee, devin nunes, looks like paul ryan will be the next speaker. does that mean that the tension inside the republican conference has been solved? >> well, i hope so. it does seem like it. there is even possibility that maybe the one challenger that is challenge mr. ryan now may not run on wednesday we'll have the vote wednesday. there's a fuller from on thursday. hopeful that 247 republicans will vote for mr. ryan. >> dickerson: how did he do it? >> if you go back you look what paul ryan stood for he's the guy that put solutions out on the
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like balancing the budget. fixing the tax code. coming up with real health care solutions. it's that history that is in his favor. >> dickerson: we'll be back to talk in moment we'll take commercial break. stay with us. i haven't seen you since that tv quiz show. hello, watson. you can see now? i can recognize people, analyze images and watch movies. well i wrote a few books, did a speaking tour, i... i've been helping people plan for retirement. and i help doctors identify cancer treatments. is that all? i recently learned japanese... yeah, i was being sarcastic. i haven't learned sarcasm yet.
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we'll be right back. >> dickerson: we're back with intelligence chairman devin nunes, mr. chairman, i want to talk to you, still talking about this new leadership change in the house and what is coming up ahead. you've been critical at times of the very conservative members of your conference and they have been critical of house leadership saying, that they're not making the most of opportunities to really push the president on conservative principles we have fight over debt limit, raising debt limit.
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how do you think those are going to play out in this new order? >> i have the president of the united states he hasn't been negotiating with the congress, there's no question this we would like to get some type of long term structured deal, agreement with the senate democrats and republicans hand house and republicans and signature. that is the best thing that can happen to this country if we're going to increase the debt limit. and i know what your next question, do you think it needs -- has to be raised? i do think it has to be raised. this is country we have to pay our bills. we do not want to default on our debt. but at the same time the american people expect the budget to be balanced. they want long term unfunded liabilities of medicare and medicaid to be fixed. and that is really whether is causing this friction because you have a president who hasn't wanted to do anything, you have i think unrealistic expectations
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among base of the republican party. it puts us in a very difficult position. >> dickerson: how do you think paul ryan will be managing those up realistic expectations? >> the best thing he was first member of congress to put real solutions on the table. i remember when i first ran for office. we're going to lower taxes. we're going to fix medicare, we're going to fix -- paul ryan guy who put these proposals into legislative text, into real bills. he's run on those time after time. even as vice president shall nominee he ran on these fixes to medicare and health care. so, with those types of solutions that the american people expect the republicans who have been given this huge majority they expect us to have real concrete solutions to america's problem. >> dickerson: let me ask you about hearings last week, benghazi hearings and secretary of state hillary clinton testified how do you think those played out now that they're done?
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for all of us to remember that hillary clinton is one of dozens of witnesses who needed to be interviewed. hillary clinton has is one who decided she wanted to have the public digs play, the other people who have come in have done it privately did not want open hear can, clearly she had it in her mind to make this political grandstanding occasions which she did very well. she's very good politician. at the end of the day, it was the first time that i had learned that there were e-mails that existed or transcripts or recordings about -- that she knew this was al qaeda attack. us on i will step generals we knew not necessarily that it was al qaeda but knew it was a terrorist preplanned attack. ends up that she knew. that the question now that i would be asking, if i'm on the benghazi committee is, we have emergency response team at the state department that was not deployed yet she knew it was terrorist attack.
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to why the people sat at the state department never left. >> dickerson: her testimony then also cia best information to the rest of the administration was, at first, claimed credit then withdrew it that that's what led to this confusion. first she believed those reports then they were withdrawn that's what made her change her position. >> specifically there were different lines of intelligence that was signaled intelligence, there was word from the ground that people were on the ground, then there was the open source reporting when we take that in totality it's tough to end up with position where -- that this was because of some video said something bad. i don't believe that. i think that's what the benghazi committee has to get to the bottom of. >> there was raid this week in iraq which u.s. servicemen was killed. what is your understanding now about what we're up to in iraq?
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>> well, we continue to have same policy that's not working. there's this no long term strategy in place to defeat isis. we have service member that was killed, special forces service members were killed. this is horrible situation. we don't want it to happen. but i think the family should know what i've been told is that there was heroic actions that he took. there was the kurds, our longest and strongest ally in in the region who requested our assistance to go in and stop 70 people from being massacred. and so the secretary of defense has said that he's going to do more of this. i believe we should do more of this. but at the same time we need to have strategy laid out by the president of the united states that tells us exactly how we're going to kill and defeat isis. >> dickerson: chairman devin nunes, thanks so much. we turn now to the top democrat on house intelligence committee who is also member of the select committee on benghazi, congressman adam schiff joins us from los angeles.
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party for you really quickly what do you think having paul ryan as speaker will do for congressional relations with democrats? >> very bright guy, paul somebody we can work with. i -- it's a new start, but i think it's going to confront frankly many of the same challenges that speaker boehner did. that is as long as you have a very sizable number of g.o.p. members that aren't really interested in governing but more interested in tearing down who won't support things like increasing the debt ceiling that are necessary to avoid default on our pretties going to have the same structural problems. i'm not sure how that gets solved but we need a functional majority party since they're the governing party so that we can get to very important issues. >> dickerson: switch now to talking about the benghazi hearing last week, your views on
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that. chris christie the governor of compared hillary clinton's role at the state department ho his own issues with accountability, he said the difference was that when -- on the washington, george washington bridge scandal he found out something was happening he fired people he was holding people accountable he said that did not happen with hillary clinton. why is it that that didn't happen? >> well, you know what, as accountability review board looked into this they found that level of responsibility for the security was among security professionals at the department, they frankly castigated those that were responsible that secretary pointed out there was process to determine what the discipline of those individuals would be. i think it's fair fodder for the political campaign to make an issue if they wish about whether these people should have been fired, what the secretary had power to fire them, frankly that's not the job of our investigation, we are supposed to look into what happened in
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benghazi and i think we need to try to separate that from the political issues. we saw during the hearing this was the main take away that notwithstanding all these 17 months of supposedly looking for new facts about benghazi there was nothing new that emerged from the hearing, that was acknowledged by our chairman. and after 17 months and four and half million if we can't say anything new, shed any new light be able to tell the families anything of particular significance, very difficult to justify continuation ever this investigation. >> dickerson: he said there was nothing new, as chairman nunes pointed out, there was some new information about what hillary clinton knew on the night of the attack. that story was different but terrorist attack. one that ultimately dribbled out over the next several days. that seems to be important if we expect people to tell us the truth when they are our leaders. >> well, it important but it's not new. we did investigation, devin was
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a part that have in the intelligence committee that looked at frankly each of these conflicting streams of intelligence as they came in. the early claims of the responsibility that were very quickly followed with human intelligence, signals intelligence, open source reporting, that there was a protest. it wasn't until about eight to ten days after the events where we actually got the tapes from the compound that we could see quite demonstrably that there had been no protests. the considered judgment, assessment of the intelligence experts for that week until we got those tapes that there had been a protest. that turned out to be wrong, but to criticize secretary clinton relying on best of in tell generals that we had at the time seemed to be wholely inappropriate. she had spoken frankly in contradiction of what intelligence agencies were telling her that might be
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the fact that as she related, as ambassador rice and others related the information at the time it was the best information we had and the fact that was wrong initially doesn't change the fact that they were reflecting the best that we knew at the time. >> dickerson: congressman adam schiff thanks for being with us, we'll be right back with our panel. phil! oh no... (under his breath) hey man! hey peter. (unenthusiastic) oh... ha ha ha! joanne? is that you? it's me... you don't look a day over 70. am i right? jingle jingle. if you're peter pan, you stay young forever. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. you make me feel so young... it's what you do. you make me feel so spring has sprung. why should over two hundred years of citi history matter to you? well, because it tells us something powerful about progress: that whether times are good or bad,
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bureau chief, mark leibovich for "new york times," robert costa national political reporter for the "washington post." and the executive editor of the national review welcome to all of you. let's start with benghazi, give us your bottom line after all of this politically how this shook out? >> think hillary clinton survived. did no harm. after pretty good ten-day period, she didn't provide the kind of information that can create big problems for her down the road. >> dickerson: mark, you wrote about hillary clinton's campaign and her effort to show authenticity or what passes for it in presidential campaign be. what do you make of just the review? >> i think she almost at her best when she is under siege in a weird way. has compelling contrast which republicans provided.
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she puts herself in good position, all that have most lasting. >> dickerson: hillary clinton lad her back up against the wall show did chairman be ever this committee because of the comments of his own republican party made him so frustrated how did the republicans come out at the end of this day of hearing? >> instead of spending the day at the committee hearing room i was outside of the republican cloak room, a lot of house republicans are frustrated, they thought the opportunity because of the comments made by kevin mccarthy, i feel like it was a wash. some got moments in the spotlight to go back to their districts, but in terms of making a moment for 2016 that is going to be remembered they slugged it off. >> dickerson: what is larger significance? >> secretary clinton is very eager to take credit for the intervention, played a big role in that. it is radiating africa. it was the spark of the refugee crisis, we're still dealing w.
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region. debating. what was the logic of this intervention? what have you learned from the experience? >> dickerson: none was discussed in that hearing, that's right. let's talk about joe bide ebb who decided not to run for president this week. mark, he's gone on his way out joined. he made a ly for bipartisanship. enemy. will that be picked up as the standards or is that -- >> probably not. i think if you're hillary clinton you hear that, you sort of have to take it given that her answer in the democratic debate was that she saw republicans was her enemy, that was a bad moment for her, might come back to haunt her at some point. i thought it was nice what to get out i thought it was -- it was gracious, right decision, i think that people are -- probably very happy that he's not running. >> dickerson: susan, what did
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the jefferson jackson dinner as nancy cordes reported, he's turning up the attack on hillary clinton, it's not a full frontal but different than we've seen. >> it's new series of the campaign. this was much more critical than he's been before and drawing the contest where he's made good decisions that withstood the test of time like trade and gay marriage she's had to reverse herself. also looking to do big speech on what it means to be a socialist which is something i think he's been reluctant to do. his advisors need to do this in the same way that barack obama did. that john kennedy did the speech on religion. >> the key speech that he did, introduced his life's story, career, wasn't just railing. that speech is going to be remembered turning point where he introduced himself in a fresh way. >> dickerson: because rounds out
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>> the full bernie sanders. focus on long career. >> i think that when you're looking at his socialism, key question is this. we've seen democracy embraced systems that bernie sanders really likes. they are built on high middle class taxes. that's fair enough. it seems to work for them okay. are american middle class voters going to embrace that, that is the speech he needs to give. if he wants to own up to that and run an electionf the democrats want to run an election, on the idea that we need much higher middle class taxes, there are very welcome to do so. but that is the piece that has been missing. people keep dodging that issue that if you want way more expensive public services, if
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you want to be very generous in these ways, someone has to pay for it. can't be the top 1%. >> dickerson: a math problem not labels problem? >> exactly. call it iowa you want. >> i think socialism is potentially very toxic. probably made very careful calculation something to avoid. that's why he probably turns the attention to hillary clinton also night in his speech. in many ways was sort of elan can himself with barack obama looking back at things like iraq, at gay marriage. sort of drawing the contrast that barack obama was able to do very effectively in 2007 and 2008 in iowa. >> dickerson: when barack obama able to view that in 2007 and 2008, policies in the future won't be handled well. bernie sanders attacked her on lgbt issues but she is in the right place on those issues now. is there a lot of extra territory that he'll say, i'll
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>> the victim of his own success because his challenge has succeeded in moving hillary clinton to the left on some issues that he's been most identified w. when questions come up, this is case of bernie sanders when two questions come up you can trust make right decision off the start. and not be swayed by what is going to be politically convenient. does that work, i don't think there is huge amount of policy difference between these two candidates at this point. >> dickerson: we'll switch over. let's take break real quick so we don't chop that up too much. we'll be right back. announcer: you taught him how to hit a baseball.
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that whole experience, lindsey's experience, changed our whole lives. just changed our outlook on everything. [ laughter ] sometimes you take things for granted that you shouldn't. we all do that, but... wow, we don't do that much anymore. >> dickerson: we're back with more from our political panel. reihan in the house republicans looks like paul ryan will be the new speaker against his wishes. how much will things change? >> the key questions is. do republicans trust him. are they willing to follow him. they have ultimately believe he wants to take them in the right direction and right now he seems to have won lot of goodwill. i think that is encouraging
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but to some degree he wants to prevent this from extending into chaos. >> dickerson: how did this come about? paul ryan didn't want the job, there were lot of people on the ultra right wing of this party that we're saying we don't like paul ryan for these reasons. but now he's got it, it looks pretty wrapped up. >> being the budget man, being leader within the house of representatives, friendly with the right and leadership, that when mccarthy fell and hard right didn't have candidate, didn't have a strategy ryan was standing there, the lone person who could ascend. he moves into this job, reluctantly. also trying to maneuver to keep the house funging. just hired david long time capitol hill, important hire, he's insider but used to be jack kemp's chief of staff. we're watching ryan thread the needle.
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wanted to spend time with his family, but isn't fundraising one of the last levers a speaker has with member they can say, i want you to be with me on this vote i'll visit your hometown and do two fundraisers. >> i think that's right. it's one of the most important things that the speaker does. and one of the chips he can play with members and not something you can delegate. the number two in command, the number three not the same having that person come into your district as poe tossed to the speaker who is third in line to the presidency has a certain distinctive stature. >> dickerson: take the kids on the fundraiser, nothing more exciting. mark, i'll switch to the presidential race here talk to you about donald trump and ben carson. dutch said he's a counter puncher, but ben carson drives around the block to keep from hitting donald trump now donald trump is on variety of things. >> donald trump would say that
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given that ben carson caught him in the polls in iowa maybe he considers that a punch some of kind. i don't think donald trump knows exactly how he wants to deal with ben carson. the seventh day adventist remark was kind of curious, i just don't know about them. that might have been proxy saying, what's the deal with this die. which i think is a question that lot of people who have been watching him in debate have wondered. he's very unknown candidate. i think probably trying to -- >> it was directly aimed at evangelical voters in iowa. they make up 57%. by two to one they favor carson over trump at this point. in the poll that you put out today. by raise can questions about 7th day advene, encouraging evangelicals to take a look at this religion. is a way for him what might be most important voting block in the republican caucus. >> look at the relationship, take a step back, it's
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fascinating, late october, these two outsiders, amateur politicians are dominating the republican race. in the "washington post," take look at this relationship just few weeks ago trim was talking about putting carson on the ticket. as he caught up. >> dickerson: what do you make of, we've seen donald trump do well but consistent polls, another one shows high number of people who would be unsatisfied with him. that number for ben carson is quite low. does ben carson have lots of room to grow in the republican field here or does he have his own challenges? >> i am a little skeptical because i believe that he is occupying that robertson lane of being evangelical candidate. going to be difficult to grow. what i do think interesting, both in the intrarepublican side and presidential race, the real cleavage between those who are taking anti-immigration stance which resonates with large numbers of party members those who are taking the proem breaks stances.
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if you look at those which one will try to come to a synthesis. try to move away from that "wall street journal" editorial page. more in the direction of the populous position on immigration that resonates with the base. candidate who is going to do that is going to rise in the polls. >> dickerson: speaking of rising or not, immigration candidate at one time was jeb bush, also one time marco rubio. jeb bush in particular has had pretty bad week, cut his staff, saw that comment earlier from him, sense the irritation. where do you think bush campaign is? >> looks peevish i thought in the clip that you showed he's in the three important states you polled he's in single digits in all of them. the most important number might be the 57% of iowa republicans say dissatisfied with him. contrast that with marco rubio who is second most successful after ben carson only 27% of iowa republicans said he'd be unacceptable talking about room
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to grow. this is fueling i think the sense that marco rubio is the candidate to watch, if there's going to be an alternative who is actually held office before. >> dickerson: so you have the two former florida friends may not become very friendly thanks
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